434 | Bob Goff on Becoming a Secret Superhero Dad & Hovering Over Your Family (FROM THE VAULT)
Episode Description
There are around 8 billion people alive right now, and there have been 107 billion who came before us. That context changes everything about how you spend today with your kids. In this From the Vault conversation, Bob Goff returns to talk about hovering over your family the way God hovered over the earth, leaving behind treasures your kids will discover for years to come, and finding the courage to make bold moves when something in your life needs to change. Bob shares why being fully present matters more than providing, how to live a "no capes" kind of life, and why the small moments will be the bookmarks your kids carry forever.
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Bob Goff is the bestselling author of Love Does, Everybody Always, Dream Big, and Undistracted, along with several children's books co-written with his daughter Lindsey. He is the founder of Love Does, a nonprofit that operates schools and safe houses for children in conflict zones around the world. Bob and his wife, Sweet Maria, live in San Diego and spend much of their time at The Oaks, where they host gatherings for dreamers and world changers. They have three grown children and several grandchildren.
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The kind of grandfather you want to be will be a byproduct of the kind of dad you are right now.
Hovering over each person in your family means asking what they uniquely need that only you could provide.
Living a "no capes" life means doing meaningful things without making a big deal about them.
Your family needs you fully present far more than they need what you provide.
When something in your life stops fitting, having the courage to quit and start fresh can change everything.
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Welcome back to Dad Awesome. Guys, today, Episode 434, is from the vault. Every few months we feature a conversation recorded over the past eight and a half years. Today, going back almost five years, is my conversation with Bob Goff. We're featuring it from the vault because there are so many threads he pulls on, so many themes that are still so important for all of us dads to hear today. If you listened four or five years ago, you're going to love listening again. And if you haven't heard this conversation with Bob, he brings his full heart and so much strategic intentionality that's portable for us to take on. These ideas spark more wonder, bring more whimsy, and bring more thoughtfulness. Even the way he talks about hovering over our families is amazing. I'm so thankful for this conversation.
Jeff [01:30]
Quick shout out to our coaching cohorts. The Dad Awesome Accelerator is a six week coaching sprint, only about ten dads at a time. We've graduated eleven groups, and this summer we're going to launch one in early summer, one late summer, and then we'll have two opportunities this fall. I am recruiting with my full heart. I would love to invite you guys to jump in. The first cohort, the summer one, is about half full. Reach out to us. Look at dadawesome.org/coaching to learn about it and to apply. You can also reach out to me directly. I love the personal back and forth when it comes to our coaching cohorts. So reach out to me. We'd love to get you all your answers, all the questions, and get you a part of one of these teams. Let's jump in. This is Episode 434, From the Vault, with Bob Goff.
Jeff [03:05]
Bob, thank you for taking some time to chat.
Bob Goff [03:07]
You bet, this is a treat. Just great to be in your blast radius again.
Jeff [03:12]
We're here with the RV in Southern California and you're taking some time to talk intentional fatherhood on the Dad Awesome podcast. It's a gift to me. It's a gift to all the dads who are a part of our community.
Bob Goff [03:21]
It's fun to see your whole family out there and meet the posse.
Jeff [03:25]
They wanted to go down your water slide here at the Oaks. They asked, can we go down the water slide?
Bob Goff [03:30]
We'll let it warm up just a little bit. I think they would be plenty awake when they hit the water.
Jeff [03:36]
It's December here now. I thought we could start with talking about an adventure I went on yesterday. I was a little north of La Jolla in the tide pools at low tide. There were families all over the place looking for these little treasures in the tide pools because the ocean was all the way down. I think fatherhood, I want to leave behind treasures for my kids, for my grandkids, that curiosity that I saw with my daughters and with other families. I was curious from your perspective, what can we be doing? Where can we be adding intentionality to our fatherhood journey that would be like those tide pools, leaving treasures behind that would last beyond our kids?
Bob Goff [04:13]
Yeah, I think what we can constantly do, the first thought I had, is context. That idea of pausing to say, the tide comes in, the tide goes out, and it leaves things to be curious about. There have been 107 billion people who have lived here on earth, give or take a couple. There's just under 8 billion who are alive right now. That means there are 15 people who aren't here for every one person who is here. So if you want to leave something behind, remember you don't know anything about the 15 people who aren't here anymore. During this little bit of time, just have your family aware of context. Realize this is a time with your young kids that won't be replicated again. Get the context for that day at the beach. You're only here once. These are going to be the memories they drop into a relatively small box of mental pictures. They'll have what it felt like to be raised in your family. So be super intentional about that. Be curious and always looking for context. The winter is starting to happen here at the Oaks. Help our grandkids understand the context of what's happening. Help them understand that there are cows and horses that are going to be parents of other cows and horses. Before it rains on Thursday, Opa is going to go plow the field today to make sure it's ready, because you don't want to disturb the field after it rains. You want the hay to grow.
Jeff [06:04]
What would be some examples of weekly or monthly, if you can think back to when your kids were younger, of ways to trigger or remember to think about context? Any ideas on how we could actually add some practical benchmarks to help us pan out?
Bob Goff [06:19]
Here's a practical thing that wasn't around when you and I were the age of your kids: the ability to take photographs and images and capture the image of the cow that's going to have a baby, and include them in that constantly. We've talked before about geocaching. We geocache things everywhere. We're starting a school in Bethlehem for Palestinian kids in January, January 13th. When I go there, I'll just bury something, which will be awesome. Stapled to the back of my will is all the latitude and longitude of everything I've buried around the world for our kids. So when I go missing, with a capital M, we're going to have this grand adventure. I'll get tickets for all the people they're married to and whoever they make, and say, what if you go on this trip and find all the stuff I left behind?
Jeff [07:16]
So instead of just looking for deposits in the present, you're actually jarring up those deposits for the future.
Bob Goff [07:23]
You actually know where you're going to be. You can open up bank accounts. I did that for my kids when they were young. I put little bits and pieces of money in there. I thought, when it's time to go to college, instead of taking out a loan, maybe there'd be enough in there. Who knows? When they got to the age of going to college, I had a job, so I just paid for it. When they graduated, I never told them about the accounts. When they graduated, I said, congratulations, and here's this little something to help you get a condo, just a little starter kit. It was all born out of having an idea and keeping it a secret, not making a big deal about it. I make little videos for my kids, and they don't know about that either. Store up these things, because the anticipation is just going to blow their minds.
Jeff [08:18]
I know you love the movie The Incredibles. Who's the mom, the wife? Edna?
Bob Goff [08:26]
She's the one who said, no capes.
Jeff [08:28]
And that's where I wanted to head with this. It's easy for us to try to do things and our kids spot us, our spouse spots us, other people say that's awesome. It's another thing to say, let's do it secretly. Would you tell that story of what you mean by no capes?
Bob Goff [08:41]
I was thinking about that movie, The Incredibles. As these guys, the story plot, they're trying to be superheroes, and they said, we need a uniform. The next section of the movie is them trying on different uniforms. They really wanted one that had a cape. Edna's role was she kept saying, no capes. The idea is to not make a big deal about these things. She had all these horror stories of superheroes who got their capes stuck in something and it didn't turn out well. There's some rationale behind living a no capes kind of life, just not making a big deal about it. If faith is important to somebody listening, Jesus talked about that. If you stand on the street corner and make a big deal about it, you get a little golf clap here. But if you just go live a no capes kind of life, then you get to talk to Jesus about it forever. That's really a problem for a guy like me who writes books and speaks, because I talk about everything. It's not because I'm trying to make people think I'm swell. I just am talking about the thing of the day. But I realized in doing that, in Jesus's words, you've had your reward. So I would do a couple of capers that you haven't told anybody about. Just do it because it'd be awesome.
Jeff [09:57]
As a dad, knowing inside, knowing with confidence, I am a secret superhero, there's something about that perspective. I'm going to live into that and my kids benefit from it. That's where we've even said, I used to say, Dad Awesome is not about us being awesome, it's about having an awesome God. I used to say it that way. Now I'm like, actually, the best gift we can give our kids is to be secretly awesome, to be Dad Awesome.
Bob Goff [10:23]
What awesome looks like isn't rebuilding the Aswan Dam, it's giving a cup of water to somebody. It'll be the small stuff. Those will be the bookmarks people have. If you take your family on a big massive trip and you stay in the penthouse suite, that's not a bad thing, but somehow in this economy that God set up, it's the small things. It would be setting up three paper clips and making something out of them that they'll remember.
Jeff [10:58]
Sweet Maria, your wife, when did you start calling her Sweet Maria?
Bob Goff [11:02]
Ever since I've known her, that's just who she is. We're not trying to talk her into it. She's just very clear on who she is and what she wants. We just made an addition here at the Oaks. We have two fainting goats that are coming. They're getting weaned. If you've seen the fainting goats video, you make a loud noise and they just tip over. That's how Maria is around people. She just tips over. She is just devoted to our family, to me, the kids, whoever they marry, and whoever they make.
Jeff [11:40]
Hearing you speak about her, whether it's just the two of us in person or in your books, there's something to adding a label that adds life that we can actually apply over our kids, over our spouse. The congruency the whole time, I know how you feel about Maria.
Bob Goff [11:57]
Wouldn't that be a good way to do it? If you think of what Jesus did, he called people either brother or sister, or he came up with a name, friend, or he gave them a nickname. The sons of Zebedee, the sons of thunder, he had a nickname for people. What if we have these nicknames for the people we love?
Jeff [12:21]
That's amazing. What would Sweet Maria say about where you got it wrong in your fatherhood journey? Of course, we all make mistakes, we all stumble. What would she say as far as an area where you didn't add enough intentionality?
Bob Goff [12:32]
I didn't have a definition of enough, and I'm still refining that. Sometimes we get in our mind that you want to provide, and that's like a wave. There's a front side and a back side to that wave. The front side, which is great, you provide the food and the clothes and the housing. But what your family really needs you to provide is you, fully present. I was spending all this time away trying to provide for the family, not realizing it wasn't really what they were needing. We didn't have the big apocalyptic moment where they said, I'm out of here, or we're not talking to you anymore. But there was a sense when I pulled into the driveway one day, there was a help wanted sign. It wasn't because Maria needed help. It was saying, dude, you need help. I was often in Uganda and Somalia and Iraq and all these places, but I wasn't actually present for my family. I was helping everybody else with their needs, and I was overlooking the needs of the people who were close. It's a story as old as time. That's what happens. So just to refocus and to say, that idea of being a new creation, new day, new Bob. Even with the people I have the privilege of working with, we'll get together next year and we'll say what worked and what didn't go the way we wanted. We're going to implement this new thing where, on a rotating basis, somebody is just off. They can go and do whatever they want. Everybody will just delight in knowing that somebody's off doing something fun. You get to cultivate those creative ideas, always keeping an ear to the tracks to see what the particular needs are. You can do that as an awesome dad. Just hover. That's the first thing God did over the earth. He just hovered. Hover over each person in your family. What does kid number one need that I could only uniquely provide them? If they need a ride, somebody else could give them a ride. But is there something else they uniquely need that only I could provide? Then hover over your spouse, and hover over a couple of friends for a moment, and just say, what do they uniquely need that only I could provide?
Jeff [14:53]
New day, new Bob. We all can say that at any point. We can say, new day, new Jeff. We have the opportunity to step in. But the hovering you're mentioning, we have to pause. We don't just race into new Jeff. I need to hover and ask that question.
Bob Goff [15:08]
Sometimes it can be as simple as bringing a cup of cider to somebody who just needs something warm and tasty. Other times, I remember when Lindsey left for college. We were a pretty tight knit family and she left to Seattle Pacific. I dropped her off, and they tell the parents, now it's time for you to leave. We're going to do this. But I really wasn't done hovering over Lindsey. I had an old seaplane, so I took off, and I knew when Lindsey was going to get out of the orientation. I was doing circles over that building in the seaplane. When I saw the students walking out, I called Lindsey on the cell phone and said, how's it going, Lindsey? She said, great. She said, where are you? I said, I'm a hovering parent. Look up.
Jeff [16:04]
New definition of helicopter parents. We have hovering seaplane parents.
Bob Goff [16:07]
I did two 360s over the place. She had a laugh about that, a little mortified. The last day of college, I just showed up at her door and I walked her to class, because we'd done that four years together. I flew up to Seattle and we had coffee once a week for four years. I started practicing law in Seattle so I could see my daughter once a week. I know that sounds extravagant. I just bought plane tickets like the next guy. But I found something I could do that would get me in the blast radius of my kids. Instead of letting efficiency call all the shots, I chose presence, to actually be there. I'm a lawyer. You can be a lawyer in Seattle. You just take this thing called the bar exam. It just sounded like a great idea. Some people would say that's extravagant. To me, that was the smartest thing I could ever do. Just get anywhere near them. Be awesome.
Jeff [17:11]
A career pivot that put you in proximity weekly. I love that. Part of the reason we bought an RV and we're on the road is, I said, I don't want to lead a fatherhood organization that tells dads to stay home with your kids while I fly away from my kids to tell them that. So we're living in an RV for that reason in this season.
Bob Goff [17:29]
You'll never look back and say, we just spent too much time. Just know that you're putting in this deck of images for your kids. Some of your kids are young enough that they'll only remember what your other kids told them about this time. The fact that they'll be able to do that, to say, this is how we roll, that's the gift.
Jeff [17:51]
My oldest daughter, Kiva, is on her second read through of Love Does for Kids that you wrote with your daughter, Lindsey. Your opening story, you mentioned the wake up fairy. You had the honor to be the wake up fairy, to wake up the kids. I think when they were napping, right? They were all napping. You actually failed. It was a stumble. You stepped on someone's nose while you were running around the room.
Bob Goff [18:12]
I got my wings. I was so happy. You get a wand and wings. It was really pretty progressive in the 1960s. Amazing. I was tapping people until I stepped on somebody's face, and they just unceremoniously stripped me of my wings, and I was out of a job. That's going to happen, though. Even as a dad, you'll say, this is going to be awesome, and then it just doesn't turn out awesome. It just ends up being, wow. It could be one of those planes, trains, and automobiles moments where you're stuck in Iowa, sorting out whatever. I remember when we traveled with the kids, when we'd land in a country, we'd have them, even at the age maybe just a year or two older than yours, change the currency and figure out how to get us wherever we were going. Hey, we're with you. Just tell us where to go, what should we do next? It wasn't a dare. It wasn't a big teachable moment. Yet it ended up making kids who are very daring and filled with teachable moments.
Jeff [19:21]
That question, what should we do next, is a question I want to ask you right now. I want to ask you to be a wake up fairy for us dads, for Dad Awesome. I want you to wake us up, and that might actually mean stepping on some of our noses, being a little rough with us. I just want to invite you, Bob, what would you say to the dad listening right now who says, where do I go from here? I invite you to talk real directly and step on my nose as a wake up fairy. Would you wake me up and wake the dads up with a challenge right now to say, put more attention here, put more focus here, stop doing this. How would you challenge us?
Bob Goff [19:53]
That's your job. Literally. I would say, nine out of ten of the people I know, male and female, are in jobs that were great on the day they got them, but they've changed. New day, new you. You've changed and the job didn't. So I would just say, quit. What if every seventh year there was a rule that everybody just quit their jobs and they just started afresh? Then we would get acclimated to that. We'd start actually looking forward to that. Somebody said, well, that's so disruptive and inefficient. Maybe. But there was a guy I know who was a great dad. He was just in a job that didn't fit him anymore. He was a brain surgeon of all things, a pediatric brain surgeon. Can you imagine all the training? He didn't want to do that. He wanted to write kids books. He came to one of these gatherings, and we had the quit your job conversation. Because he's a really awesome, faithful, dedicated guy, he walked in with his partners and he quit. He moved to Hawaii with his family, rented a little place, and he realized later, and he let me share this, that he didn't realize he was within a thread of being done with his marriage. His wife let him know, dude, you've been miserable. He said, I came here to write kids books, but what I did is I got reconnected with my family. When he got reconnected with his family, all of a sudden he liked what he knew how to do, which was pediatric brain surgery. He started this outfit in Hawaii for pediatric brain work. Isn't that crazy? It wasn't his job that he didn't like. He had just lost touch with his family, but he didn't realize that. Then when he did a bold move to awaken and move toward something he thought was kids books, he found out, no, he actually really loves what he does. He just needed to reconnect with his family. When he got that right, then everything started falling into place.
Jeff [22:16]
So your bold step on the nose, wake up fairy statement is, quit your job. You told me to do this through one of your books. You challenged all of us with Dream Big to consider quitting your job. The context that I was making a decision on my job, I was exactly seven years into my last job. A year and a half ago, I quit my job. You were my first call the next day, and you encouraged me. You celebrated with me over the phone. It was a quick two minute call. I used the number from the back of your book and gave you a call. What I have seen is exactly what you're talking about. By quitting my job and stepping into what's right for my family today, like what was right for my family seven years ago, it was a game changer for the Zogg family.
Bob Goff [22:57]
There's something about that. Sometimes we wait for all the right things to line up before we make a move. What about making the move and then saying, okay, this is a fixed point. What needs to change? You're going to figure it out. All the things that made you successful in the previous job will make you successful in the next thing. I walked into my own law firm, got everybody together on the 17th floor of the Washington Mutual Tower, and I quit my own law firm. I took the key off the ring. I gave it to a guy and said, it's all yours. You don't owe me anything. He's like, are you kidding me? Now, that was a stupid economic move, but it was an awesome new creation move. That's what we want to do. Start making some really neat new creation moves to actually live in it. Just something to needlepoint into a pillow, your new creation with a Bible verse. Why not actually live like that? See yourself in the mirror. What is Bob possible? What could he do? I'm tilling a field today. That's probably not the highest and best economic use of several days, but it's the best way I could spend today to get ready for what lies ahead. The accomplishment that comes from doing that, I've got cows I'm trying to take care of, and I'm just interested in more and different things. I think it makes me a better husband, a better dad, hopefully a better leader. Just upend things.
Jeff [24:27]
I know we both have Jeep Wranglers. I've had mine for seven years. It's my vehicle. I know you had one for a while. You have a Jeep here now. You challenged me last time I was here to think about downshifting the career focus, because this is a window of time. Downshift that focus. I remember when I would take it to the car wash, my Jeep was the only vehicle they would make the driver get out of. Any other vehicle, you could sit in the car and go through. But something about the way the engine is, the torque, the way the gearbox works, they actually had injuries because the Jeep will lurch forward if it jumps into gear. I don't know if you know about this. Of all vehicles, Jeeps are the most dangerous to have someone in the vehicle in a car wash. So what I wanted to ask you about is the posture for dads. I think there is a play it safe culture, of I have to protect, I have to be careful. There are fears of, I can't be out of control because I have all these little lives depending on me, my spouse depending on me. We were getting after it a little bit the last question, but this lean forward posture, be bold, take action, versus being controlled, controlling the risk and saying, I'm going to let fear chart my course. How can we be Jeep Wrangler dads who have a disposition toward action and being bold?
Bob Goff [25:42]
Maybe constantly saying, what's possible, not what's familiar. Sometimes the familiar will get in the way of what's actually possible. When the COVID shutdown hit everything in California, this camp we're sitting at right now was empty. I saw there was a great big field next door, and I planted a vineyard. Now, I don't drink wine. I'm all for it. I want to ferment and crush it up and put labels and corks in it. I just don't care for the taste. I'm a Dr Pepper guy. But I did the math. It takes three years to get a good grape, and then you put that in a barrel for three more years to do whatever it does, and then you drink the wine. I'm 62. I did the math. I'm 63, 64, 65, 66. I'm like, I need to get going. So maybe see a timeline. Going back to the idea of context for your life, you have just this little bit of time with your kids where they're just like, you could go do anything. I could take my boys to a turd farm and they'd be like, this is awesome. So when you have their attention, just do something with that. Don't wait until they leave. Almost change your ringtone to Cat's in the Cradle. Realize, wow, I've got. I'm going to replicate. The kind of grandfather you want to be will be a byproduct of the kind of dad you are.
Bob Goff [27:14]
So I would say, tell me what you see in your future. If it's you sitting alone in a golf cart playing golf, awesome, ignore your family. If you want to be around everybody and chaos and wonderful, go for it. The nickname you want to give yourself is Opa. There's just something there. My kids, even now when the grandkids come over, we have lots of iceberg roses. Every time before they leave, I pretend I'm going to sneeze, and I have a handful of rose petals. I go, achoo, and the rose petals come out. Ever since this little two and a half year old, almost three, has been over to the house, he always leaves with rose petals. I'm telling you, when I am spending my last days here, I'm going to put rose petals on that kid's window. Just celebrate. They'll see this and they'll remember. They call it in our faith traditions the aroma of Christ. But it's just this memory. It's like why a pillow smells like the one you love. The clothing just smells or looks. You see a Hawaiian shirt and you remember that friend who always wore a Kahala Hawaiian shirt.
Jeff [28:35]
Yes, amazing. I want to end our time with my last question, around what you've learned from your friends at San Quentin State Prison. I know those friends have changed your life, the class you taught has led to deep friendships. What do you think you've learned from those amazing men that would apply to each of us dads?
Bob Goff [28:55]
Two things. I was up there last week, and we were filming this little documentary, because the warden's a great guy. He said, you can film this documentary. The prisoners, it's their documentary, not mine. They said, will you come a little early and we'll do some filming. We're at this one corner of San Quentin and we're getting ready to film. There are 1,100 guards who keep all of them there. They take shifts, but there are quite a few guards. On the other side of the wall, while we're getting ready to film, they are having target practice. These targets do not look like pheasants and squirrels. They are outlines of people. These guards are practicing shooting them. It was sobering to realize, as we were trying to film and wait for the volley of bullets to stop, that 20 feet that side, there are people practicing to take you out. I would say, not to add unnecessary drama, but the world wants to take you out. There are forces of darkness and distraction. I don't see the devil around every corner, but that's what they're aiming for. They don't have silhouettes of little pheasants. They have a silhouette that looks like you.
Bob Goff [30:18]
We had a great conversation with these men. There's one guy in particular, I won't give you his name because he's probably getting in trouble, but he has a problem he's identified. His problem is this: he doesn't like prison food, but the problem is, he's in for life. So that's what's available, prison food. But he didn't find himself constrained by what was merely available. He decided to innovate. You can actually hot wire a little hot plate that you use to warm your coffee and make it unlimited degrees. You burn off a half inch of wire every time you use it because it gets so hot. He had quesadillas the day before and burritos the day before that. He makes them in his cell. His cell is six feet wide, seven and a half feet long, and there are two guys in there who weigh 240 each, plus a bunk bed, a toilet, a sink, and everything they own. They use his name and call him the chef. He just cooks up. I asked him, what's the coolest thing you've ever made? He said, a cheesecake. I said, you made a cheesecake? Will you write out the recipe card for me? I've got to remember how to do this. The first thing you do is, you need to get this one guy who's in the mess hall to steal five cinnamon buns for you.
Jeff [31:41]
That's step one.
Bob Goff [31:42]
In exchange for a slice of that cheesecake, he'll give you a cup of sugar and a tablespoon of cinnamon as well. You mix these together. You tear it apart with your hands. There are no utensils, because you'll shank somebody. You mix them together. Then you need butter. He gets all his guys to take that little rectangle of butter. All together, he's got 30 guys taking their butter, and they meet in his cell, because he's drawn community around this. They don't want a piece of his cake. They just love the fact that he's making something himself. The last thing you need for cheesecake is two cups of cream cheese. There's a religious tradition within San Quentin that gets bagels and cream cheese. He gets 18 of those little cream cheese shooters, which equals two cups. He pays a dollar for every five of those. The last thing you need is to chill it. He gets the prisoners to give him five cubes of ice each, about a handful of ice each. They come into his cell and they drop it off, and he chills his cheesecake. There's something beautiful that everybody doesn't get a slice, but everybody's fed. There's something really beautiful. I think we can do that as you continue with this work you're doing with Dad Awesome. Everybody gets fed somehow. They get what they need. But you've got to know what you want, and you've got to overcome what's merely available. Get your head on a swivel and say, what could I do to influence what I want? He found a guy who works in the mess hall, and he got just a little bit of what he needs. He hot wired whatever he needed to do to make it happen. I'm sure he's not eating prison food again today.
Jeff [33:29]
Bob, you have deposited courage in me. Through your books, through our conversations, through this conversation, you've encouraged me to go after it. You've encouraged all of us dads to be dads who go after it. I just want to thank you. The deposit you've put in me has been a part of what's launched this ministry. I was hoping you could end our time with praying over all of us, that we would be dads who live on our toes versus our heels, that we would be all in, let's take the leap type of dads, and that we would keep a perspective of God is up to bigger things than we're even aware of.
Bob Goff [34:01]
Jesus, you've been eavesdropping on this conversation, you've been eavesdropping on our entire lives. Give the men and women listening the grit and the guts to not just agree with anything that's been said, but to actually do something about it. Know that the only thing that matters is faith expressed in love. In your strong name, amen.
Jeff [34:27]
Thank you so much for joining us for Episode 434, this From the Vault conversation with Bob Goff. The show notes, the conversation links, and links to his books and other resources are all going to be listed at dadawesome.org/podcast. Again, a reminder, we are moving into an active recruiting and inviting season for our Dad Awesome Accelerator coaching cohorts. We'd love to invite you to pray into and to apply to be a part of one of our summer cohorts. Go to dadawesome.org/coaching. Thanks for listening, guys. Let's move from intent to activation. Let's be dads of action. Praying for you guys. Have a great week.
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"The kind of grandfather you want to be will be a byproduct of the kind of dad that you are."
"Hover over each person in your family. What does kid number one need that I could only uniquely provide them?"
"What your family really needs you to provide is you, like, fully present."
"Sometimes the familiar will get in the way of what's actually possible."
"Everybody doesn't get a slice, but everybody's fed."
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