When the bill shows up, the check engine light blinks, or your kid ignores you for the third time, you respond as an orphan, a slave, or a son. In Part 2 of this conversation, Pablo Ceron walks through the frontiers of adversity, fierce mastery, and love, and shows how each one is an invitation to be fathered by God. You'll also hear the simple question that opens the door to repair with your kids when you blow it.

The life you're longing for as a dad is almost always on the other side of discomfort. In this episode, Pablo Ceron explains why men shrink their lives down to a manageable size and how adventure and adversity are the training ground God uses to father you. You'll also hear how a spearfishing trip changed the way his 15-year-old walked back into a hard school year, and why remembering what God has done prepares you for whatever comes next.

Jeff Zaugg and Rob Porter sit down with Jay Heck for a powerful, three-way conversation on fatherhood. In Part 1, they dive into the tension between being a provider and still embracing curiosity, adventure, and childlike wonder. They also unpack the unique triune relationship between a father, God, and his child.