453 | Building Deep Friendships as a Man, with Wayne Francis
Episode Description
Most men aren't isolated because no one's around — they're isolated because they've never learned to be asked the right questions. In this episode, Pastor Wayne Francis returns to DadAwesome to unpack his new book, Make Friends with Anyone, sharing his sunbathers-to-submariners framework and the "six-pack" of vital friendships every man needs. It's an honest, funny, and convicting conversation about calendars, clarity, and why your kids are watching how you do friendship long before they ever try it themselves.
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Wayne Francis and his wife, Claudene (whom he affectionately calls "Classy"), are the lead pastors of The Life Church – New York in Westchester County, a suburb of NYC. Wayne previously founded and led Authentic Church, which merged with The Life Church in early 2020. A dynamic communicator, he's passionate about building the local church and helping people find real life in Jesus. Wayne and Claudene have been married for 25 years and have two teenage daughters, Haleigh and Ryleigh. When he's not preaching, Wayne can usually be found out cycling or turning any available floor into a dance floor.
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Isolation often masquerades as independence — men blame "not having anybody" instead of recognizing they've chosen to be self-reliant.
Friendships exist on levels — sunbathers, surfers, snorkelers, scuba divers, and submariners — and problems happen when we give submarine-level access to sunbather-level friends.
Your calendar (and photo album) is the truest record of what you actually value — not what you say you value.
Every man needs a "six-pack": six vital, diverse friends who get priority access to his time and get told they're in that circle.
Cleaning out and grieving friendships that have run their season is healthy, not disloyal — friends aren't disposable, but their role in your life should be reassessed.
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Wayne Francis [00:39]
At the end of my life, I would love for my tombstone to read: He was a great friend to everyone. I think that Jesus elevated a theology of friendship that we overlook. I think that churches overlook the theology of friendship, and we've exalted marriage instead of friendship. My best friend has to be my spouse, or I can't find complete wholeness through friendship — and yet a single man who was celibate changed the world because he had the right theology of friendship.
Jeff Zaugg [01:07]
Hey guys, welcome back to Dad Awesome. Today, episode 453. We have Wayne Francis back in action. It's been five years since we had him on last time. He actually, this week, a couple days ago, launched his book, Make Friends with Anyone: Practicing God's Design for Real Friendship in a Lonely World. When I heard about the launch — one, I love Pastor Wayne Francis, you'll hear about it in our conversation. We've got to put a bunch of history together; he's been on the podcast twice before. But this theme of friendship, this theme of loneliness, is robbing us of the full hearts as dads that we are designed and called to bring to our families. So we have to talk about this topic of friendships from new, fresh angles.
Speaking of community, brotherhood, accountability — our Dad Awesome coaching cohort is called the Accelerator. We're on cohort 13 right now, and we have another group launching in just three weeks in mid-October. We still have four spots left. Pray about joining the Dad Awesome Accelerator. It's the favorite thing that I do — taking eight to ten dads at a time through a six-week sprint of everything we've learned in nearly nine years of Dad Awesome. It's only one hour a week of fixed time, plus homework, and your family will thank you for leaning in. It's linked right in the show notes, also at dadawesome.org/coaching. That's our invite for today. Let's jump in — this is my conversation, episode 453, with Wayne Francis.
Jeff Zaugg [03:08]
I think it's been five years. It was episode 199, the last time I had you on Dad Awesome. So welcome, welcome back. In our last recording, if you remember, we biked 100 miles together as part of the Fathers for the Fatherless journey with your local church in White Plains, New York.
Wayne Francis [03:16]
To be back, then.
Jeff Zaugg [03:28]
Then we went and did a dinner with like 70 core leaders — you're speaking at the dinner — and then you drive me back to our friend's house, Stefan, and he's like, "Set up the microphones here." It's eleven o'clock at night and we're recording a podcast, and I'm crying — you're bringing all the passion. So today, to me, it's my first episode of the day, and I'm feeling really fresh compared to our last interview.
Wayne Francis [03:50]
Let's go — if you remember Stefan's name.
Jeff Zaugg [03:55]
Yeah, well he hosted me on my bike — he was so kind, and he's a strong cyclist. Now, here are a few questions to get going. One — the fatherhood chapter you're in today, your daughters are all launched, right? They're young adults, in their twenties. Is that the chapter of fatherhood you're still in?
Wayne Francis [04:13]
Yes, yeah. But they still live at home, so they are definitely around. They're doing great.
Jeff Zaugg [04:16]
Yeah.
Jeff Zaugg [04:20]
Amazing, amazing. Are you still riding long distance cycling — still pushing yourself on the bicycle?
Wayne Francis [04:26]
I still ride, but I'm not pushing myself as much. I actually broke my arm last year in a cycling accident, but I'm back on my cycle now. I'm just not riding as heavy as I was — haven't done any centuries in about three years.
Jeff Zaugg [04:49]
You're waiting for me to come back and tap you and say let's go.
Wayne Francis [04:52]
Yeah, I did a pretty short one this year — it was for veterans, a 25-mile but very difficult, very hilly ride. Just me starting to get back on my bike after healing my arm, about nine months.
Jeff Zaugg [05:11]
Well, it's no joke, the elevation we had to ride with the team — I was your crew. So, I'm excited to chat about all things fatherhood today. Isolation — the epidemic of isolation and loneliness — you've done a deep dive into this. It's very common when I pull groups of dads together and ask, "When was the last time someone invited you around a circle, a campfire like this, to talk about fatherhood?" They say, "You're the first one." So isolation is real. What have you found that's like, whoa, this is serious, around isolation?
Wayne Francis [05:43]
Well, I think a lot of us think that because we're around people, we're actually in community — particularly those of us who are followers of Jesus and at churches, sometimes very large churches. It can feel like we're around people and gathering community by osmosis, but it's just not true. I think there are two sides of isolation: isolation happening to us, and sometimes we're actually causing isolation. Sometimes we say we're isolated — especially men — but you're not isolated, you're actually independent. You can blame it on not having anybody; you're just more independently wired.
Jeff Zaugg [06:23]
And when you look upstream to isolation — self-strength, "I can do it myself, I'm independent" — what are some of the other upstreams that cause men, dads, to find themselves isolated?
Wayne Francis [06:41]
I think it's lack of being vocal. I think it's easy for men to stuff things down and be a little more quiet. Men aren't always great question-askers — I think that's the big deal. In order for people to become vulnerable, it's not like I can just tell you something — I actually need to be asked. Question asking is an art. It's something you have to learn, something we have to get better at.
Jeff Zaugg [07:11]
That's a fun topic to bring up to a guy who's asking you questions right now on a podcast. So coach me for a moment on question asking, curiosity. What are a few elements that will make you better at asking questions?
Wayne Francis [07:27]
Well, it's obviously natural curiosity, but I think people need to ask questions that force vulnerability. It's either going to make a person lie, hide, or open up. I have a friend, Jonathan Moynihan — he says, "I don't ask men if they watch porn. I ask them what type of porn do they watch," because his presumption is that they're already watching some level of porn or exposed to something sexually inappropriate. He wants to go below the obvious way of asking. I like when people go down a little bit and get past the veneer to real vulnerability. That's what good question asking is — when you get somebody to go, "Well, I've never had to answer that."
Jeff Zaugg [08:23]
So instead of asking a highlight moment of the summer as a dad, I'll ask you right now — what has made you cry or be moved to tears in fatherhood in the last five years? Can you think of a moment that stirred you at a deep level?
Wayne Francis [08:48]
Yeah, one that came to mind, quite recent actually — one of my daughters has been dating a guy for almost two years, and they recently went to pre-engagement counseling, which is crazy. She and her sister are best friends, they're tight. I've noticed the younger one, twenty-one, who's not dating, has some issues — her boyfriend doesn't quite do it for her. And I have teared up and cried because I feel a level of brokenness — I can sense my younger daughter feeling like her best friend is getting ready to be taken away from her, and she's not dating anybody. It's not a jealousy thing, but it's an "I'm losing my best friend" thing. I've lamented and felt angry, honestly, that there aren't great candidates for my younger daughter. But I've also had to cry over her feeling alone — that if my daughter does get married in the next year, my younger daughter will still be here with us, and the pain of her not having her bestie and sister around is very sad to me.
Jeff Zaugg [10:02]
So the friendship depth causes pain when a husband or future husband comes. That's my prayer for my little girls — that they'd love each other so much, have such deep friendship that it carries forward. But the downside of deep sibling friendship is there are moments of grief because it looks different in different chapters.
Wayne Francis [10:23]
My daughters go on vacation together by themselves — they just did a girls' road trip to Toronto — and you start thinking, well, now you're the third wheel. My heart has broken for my youngest daughter; she's gentle and very soft. Last night was really beautiful — we had date night on Wednesdays, but it turned into family night. We started watching that new Netflix show about the pastor's wife who got shot and killed by the pastor. It was just so nice to sit on the couch with my two twenty-something daughters, one on each shoulder, all of us under a blanket, in an unpredictable, non-forced moment. That makes me feel like I'm winning as a dad — that I've won as a dad, still.
Jeff Zaugg [11:15]
So I want what you have with my four little girls — closeness when they're in their young twenties, and closeness with each other, depth of friendship with each other. My oldest is twelve — what are the seeds you'd plant now so that ten years from now you get that cuddle moment under the blanket watching Netflix?
Wayne Francis [11:39]
I think high affirmation and high correction. It's the balance of "who the father loves, he chastens." They need correction and direction, but they need high affirmation as well. With my kids, I've always tried to be in their world, in their orbit, a whole lot — to be fun. I think dads need to be fun and goofy — you don't always have to be so mature. You've got to get in the TikToks with them when they're making a TikTok — dance, even if you're off-beat, it doesn't matter. Dance and be dad and have fun, and be very much into communicating. I don't have sons so I can't speak to that, but with my daughters I've always been very verbal — a great question-asker: "Why'd you do that? Why does that make you feel that way?" Those are the components — fun, you've got to keep fun in it, otherwise who wants to be around you anyway — and great question asking and conversation.
Jeff Zaugg [12:51]
You shared, five or seven years ago, "you've got to dance, come on, dance." I've kept tabs through your Instagram — you challenged us and you went and did the thing, you danced your way through it.
Wayne Francis [13:12]
Yeah, I just posted something on my story this week — we threw my daughter's 21st birthday party in New York City last week, and I posted me twerking on her, because she's not too old for dad to twerk.
Jeff Zaugg [13:25]
Well done. Grateful you challenged us, and grateful I've gotten to cheer you on from afar.
Wayne Francis [13:41]
Thank you, brother. Thank you so much.
Jeff Zaugg [13:43]
You also chatted with us about friendships in previous conversations — you've got to have this type of friend, and a friend before you, a friend younger that you pour into. But you have a new framework — and we have to pause and celebrate your book, Make Friends with Anyone: Practicing God's Design for Real Friendship in a Lonely World. There it is. This is a common thread from our time together — this thread of brotherhood, friendship. You've even mentioned your wife noting how many friendships you have, that it's an area you have to be conscious of so you're not spending too much time away. Give me a little backdrop — the life lived, the mission this grew out of. Why did you choose this as the topic for your first book?
Wayne Francis [14:50]
I think it's the truest expression of my primary DNA — that at the end of my life, I'd love for my tombstone to read: He was a great friend to everyone. I think Jesus elevated a theology of friendship that we overlook. I think churches overlook the theology of friendship, and we've exalted marriage instead of friendship. People think, unless I can have legal sex in marriage, my best friend has to be my spouse, or I can't find complete wholeness through friendship. And yet a single man who was celibate changed the world because he had the right theology of friendship. People are always like, "Dude, how do you have so many friends?" — everybody feels like they're your best friend. The reason I wanted to write this book is because I've always had a clear strategy to make friends and a clear stratification. Those are the two things I think I'm really good at — helping people make friends and place them in the right slots in your life.
Jeff Zaugg [15:56]
We have to talk about both the strategy and the stratification — I think one of them is the sunbathers to submariners framework. Can you walk us through that?
Wayne Francis [16:13]
Sure. This came out of a conversation I was having with a friend — shout out Rich Beattie — one of those napkin conversations, where he's like, "Dude, how do you have all these friends?" I said, well, I have a stratification in my mind. There are surface-level friends — sunbathers. You're on the beach, enjoying things, the conversation is awesome — but if you stay on the beach too long, you're going to get sunburned. So, surface-level relationships. Then you've got friends you'd describe as "pick up where you left off" — they surf into your life on the ebb and flow, show up for a funeral, a wedding, a dinner, but you might not talk for months. They're solid — surfer friends.
Jeff Zaugg [17:10]
Let me interrupt you — because we're in and out, ride the wave, then off I go.
Wayne Francis [17:17]
Still so meaningful, though — we don't lose any of the essence. Just catching up with you before we started recording — "yeah, Jeff's my friend, we can ride bikes, not talk for a while, you're in an RV for three years, then we're back at it." So, surfer friends. The next level is a snorkeler — somebody you go below the surface with. You might say, "I'm having some challenges at work," but you don't get particularly vulnerable — you go below the surface a little. The next level is a scuba diver — people you go deep with. It requires apparatus for that relationship — flippers and air tanks — a cadence, and not a lot of people. You've never seen a hundred scuba divers together. It becomes more intimate as you go lower, and if you pull out too fast, you both get the bends — you need to cultivate it. The greatest level is submariners — people you could have mutual destruction with. We're in it together — we know each other's traumas, our childhood pain —
Jeff Zaugg [18:17]
You go up too fast — yes, yes.
Wayne Francis [18:33]
— our secrets. We know about each other's search history. It's what I told you about my friend Jonathan Moynihan — "What porn do you watch? What's your thing?" It's that deeper level of friendship where you have vulnerability hangovers — the emotional nudity so many men are afraid of. One level isn't worse than the other — surface-level friends aren't bad — you just have to know where people belong, because you could give submarine access to people who are sunbathers and wonder why the relationships don't work. We have to know where we categorize people, because Jesus did.
Jeff Zaugg [19:11]
Many of us had a dad who "surfer" was the deepest we ever observed — come and go. I think I would have benefited directly from my dad having those deeper scuba-diver or submariner-type friendships. Would you say it's generational — have you noticed that with your friends?
Wayne Francis [19:36]
Absolutely. I think we're just starting to get the right language for friendships among men. Men used to just say, "I've got to work, I've got to go do this — I'm not going to talk to anybody about what's going on in my life." Now we're starting to want to go deep. We have a resource tool in the book — I was inspired by Mike Foster's book Primal Question — so we created a free assessment so you can learn your natural friendship disposition: are you naturally a surfer or a submariner? It gives you tools to appreciate all the different levels of friendship. It's free and takes five minutes.
Jeff Zaugg [20:29]
We're going to send all our dads over — I want to take it myself. I've got your book but haven't done the assessment yet. Game on.
Wayne Francis [20:38]
Showmemyfriends.com is where it lives. Take it, then send me your results — you can post it directly to Instagram too.
Jeff Zaugg [20:48]
Sweet — a way to share and keep the momentum going. We're launching this episode right at book launch. Every group of dads we've taken through our Accelerator — building friendships doesn't just happen. When you think about building friendships beyond understanding the different levels, what else would you add?
Wayne Francis [21:23]
I think the most important thing is that your calendar is the best preacher of your life. A lot of people say they value relationships, but their calendar rebukes that — it's just not there. The most important thing in building a friendship is whether your schedule reflects it. Look over your past couple of months and you'll know whether you actually value friendships with people.
Jeff Zaugg [21:51]
That's so — look back at your calendar and your photo album, and it'll show you who you actually see.
Wayne Francis [21:58]
If it's all selfies, just your kids, just your wife, things you ate — but no photos with relationships — you're probably struggling. You're on the struggle bus, dude.
Jeff Zaugg [22:12]
And so often, if I'm hosting a group of dads on my back patio, I'll get a few texts every time — "can't make it, gotta do this." I get the texts that say, "I have to be dad-awesome, so I'm staying home instead of coming to your thing." I get it — but I think in fatherhood, guys will say the most important relationships are those under my roof, my marriage and kids — that's everything. And when they get invited to connect with other guys, there's maybe some insecurity — "I might get pushed into deeper waters" — so they send the text. My hypothesis is that out of our 168 hours a week, we need some brotherhood outside the home that makes us better dads. Would you agree? What does that stir up?
Wayne Francis [23:13]
Yeah, I think we can make excuses about being focused on a task, a job, or handling our children, to avoid the necessary need to be around other brothers who sharpen us, help us become better, and convict us where we might be passive. We might be great at taking care of our kids and being awesome dads, but you have to be awesome in a horizontal way too, so you can fulfill everything God has inside of you. I really believe you can't have the best of God without having the best and the worst of each other. We have to be at some kind of ninety-degree angle — including being around our brothers — to be successful fathers and to be Dad Awesome.
Jeff Zaugg [24:01]
There's a phrase you wrote — friendships build you up, so they build you up and don't burn you out. There's such a thing as over-friendship, where suddenly it's taking your time and emotion, life-sucking instead of life-giving. How do you navigate friendships that build you up?
Wayne Francis [24:25]
That's why this rubric works so well — a sunbather shouldn't get the same access as a scuba diver. It makes it easier to decide who actually gets my time. I prioritize what I call my six-pack — six vital friends you'd drop everything for, who are necessary in your life for you to succeed. Those guys get priority; everybody else doesn't. I take those texts, return those calls right away, schedule time with them exclusively more than others. A surfer or even a snorkeler doesn't get the same level of access as a submariner — it's all about stratification.
Jeff Zaugg [25:18]
So the six-pack — just so I get this right — six critical friendships, older, younger, a challenger — is that the rubric?
Wayne Francis [25:29]
I think the six need to be diverse — pick six people, maybe one ten years younger, one ten years older, some racial diversity if you can, occupational diversity — you can't just be a bunch of preachers if you're a preacher, or you won't grow. You need something robust. My six friends are very different from each other — they don't have to know each other or interface, but they're the six vital people in my life.
Jeff Zaugg [25:59]
On that number — Jesus had the three and the twelve — is there a reason you land on six?
Wayne Francis [26:10]
Well, just because I can't have a six-pack of abs, I have to have a six-pack this way — and it's better than a six-pack of beer. I think it's a manageable number for introverts or extroverts to manage that amount of relationship. I have hundreds of friends and I love it, but there are six people I'm trying to get to know me at a different level, and they need to know that they're in a club. Sometimes men are passive — somebody can refer to you as their best friend, but you don't feel the same way about them. This is a way for us to be clear — Brene Brown says clear is kind; in the absence of clarity, people fill in the blanks. We need to be clear about who your real core group is, and that they know the type of responsibility they're having in your life. It's not necessarily a lifetime thing — it might serve a season. The clarity helps so that people I'm connected to don't get some washed-over version of me.
Jeff Zaugg [27:34]
People would observe me as really connected, having a lot of friends — but I've at times overextended and not given enough clarity. I think the leadership hat I wear — leading this group, rallying guys for a camping trip — creates an expectation that I'm playing the "spark" role. Suddenly I can feel a little lonely even though I'm surrounded. Coach me for a moment in that place.
Wayne Francis [28:21]
Do you have a best friend?
Jeff Zaugg [28:28]
I think I've always had groups — I have five names that come to mind right now when you ask for a best friend versus "the one."
Wayne Francis [28:36]
And those five friends — do you feel deeply connected to them, do they know the deepest parts of you?
Jeff Zaugg [28:47]
No posturing and positioning with those guys — they get the raw, they hear from me at the lowest valley. I reached out last week because one of my daughters had a surgery, and they all know and are praying with me. So no, they're deep. They're just not local — we moved three years ago — and it takes time to build the local.
Wayne Francis [29:11]
I think it's very important for a person like you, who's mobile and serves people, life more output-driven, that it actually matters more to find one. The way I look at Jesus' model — he gave 72 parables, stories that were large and amazing. Twelve got the passwords to the kingdom of God — the disciples who walked closely with him. Three got his presence — Peter, James, and John on the Mount of Transfiguration. But only one got his chest — "the one Jesus loved" — laid on his chest, almost like Jesus' BFF. But there was something there. I think you need to find your one.
Jeff Zaugg [30:06]
So for me, and for the dads listening — you'll be the same dad five years from now as you are today, aside from the friends you meet and grow, and the books you read. I'm going to read your book — check. Do the assessment — check. The assessment identifies what type of friend I am naturally, and then probably advice on how to grow the others. What else — "do this, do this"?
Wayne Francis [30:42]
I think cleaning out friendships is probably the thing people don't do enough. We hold on to relationships longer than their season. It's like swapping out my closet — going through summer clothes, thinking "I bought that but don't wear it, why am I holding on?" I don't think friends are disposable, but the value we ascribe to certain friends needs to be reassessed. One of the healthiest, most hygienic things we can do is assess who's adding value, who we want to press into — because we carry relationships longer than we need to, afraid to reassign them.
Jeff Zaugg [31:35]
So it's less "define the relationship, break it off hard," more "calibrate and steer away from." Is that what you're saying?
Wayne Francis [31:44]
Absolutely — and grieve the ones that might need to end. You hold on to certain ones that are still thriving, and maybe some you need to say, "That was a good season."
Jeff Zaugg [31:59]
Let's land here on principles for helping our kids grow strong friendships. What about them developing friendships — thinking of the early teenage years — what are some ways we can help our kids grow friendships?
Wayne Francis [32:23]
I think, number one, model the type of friendships you want your kids to have — do they actually see life-giving friendships, what your friends do for each other and for you? I've shown my kids that handwriting letters and cards is one of the best ways to stay connected — it shows a culture of hospitality and gift-giving. "Why are you buying that extra shirt?" — "I'm going to send this to Jonathan, I love this t-shirt" — and get my boy one too. They're learning what it takes to be a good friend, so they can select good friends. I want to embody a culture and ethos of friendship where my friends aren't exalted above my kids, but included — an integrated life where family and friends intersect in a healthy way. Then we guide our kids — I was never into "I don't like that girl, don't hang out with her." I like creating discernment, so they're already picking great friends, and if they feel ashamed to bring a friend around, they already know their parents wouldn't vibe with that kid. We've created a culture where they understand what fits the flow of our family. That's why my daughters have great friends — they have some outliers, but none that would bring them down.
Jeff Zaugg [34:10]
I'm curious about your six-pack — how many of their wives are close friends with your wife, or their kids friends with your kids? Separate friendships, or does family tend to be friends with family?
Wayne Francis [34:28]
It's growing since I started the six-pack concept, the last three years or so. Some of the interpersonal connections with the wives are working, but honestly, women have a harder time trusting other women than men trusting other men. When men go deep, we're locked in, we're bros, foxhole friends — creating chemistry with couples is very difficult, because you might get along, but the wives don't really jive. So the relationship with those guys has to be agnostic to the peripheral things, even kids — one guy in my six-pack has kids all under seven and he's fifty years old, so I can't relate to him on stewarding kids anymore. Another guy's oldest is nine. Others are becoming grandparents. It's two ends of the spectrum, so our kids might not interact — but what I try to do, since my kids are in their twenties, is: one of the guys is local, so I'll say, "Go babysit his kids, we're doing date night" — me, him, his wife, and my wife go out, he watches the kids. That's an integrated life of friendship.
Jeff Zaugg [35:58]
Tell us the website again for the assessment and the book.
Wayne Francis [36:03]
Showmemyfriends.com. You can buy the book and take the quick assessment. I also do something else — I love Marco Polo. If you have a friendship question, Marco me and I'll talk to you live. I got inspired by Bob Goff, who used to send out his cell phone number — I'm not about that life, I already get too many texts — but Marco Polo works. All of that's available on showmemyfriends.com.
Jeff Zaugg [36:42]
Would you say a short prayer over all the dads in this area of friendship?
Wayne Francis [36:47]
Absolutely. Father, I'm asking you right now, in the name of your Son, to bless the fathers listening with an elevated theology of friendship — a lived theology. Help us get rid of the veneer and move toward vulnerability. I pray some of the men listening will start to think about who's in their six-pack — six vital friends who will help them — and where to calibrate their friendships: who are the surfers, the snorkelers, the submariners. Friendship is a main way we can disciple one another — maybe that's the killer app for discipleship. Bless those of us who do have great friends, and help us be great friends to other men and dads. In Christ's name, amen.
Jeff Zaugg [37:40]
Thank you so much for joining us today for episode 453 with Wayne Francis. All the conversation links, action steps, top quotes, top takeaways, and transcripts can be found at dadawesome.org/podcast. Let's lean into this theme, let's build these friendships, this brotherhood — it's the gift that keeps on giving for our families, our kids, and our grandkids. Let's build with prayer and with action this week. One more invitation: join us for the Dad Awesome Accelerator — your next step, a guarantee that you'll level up and press in. When you show me your calendar and your bank statement, I'll show you where you really put value, care, and intentionality. I believe when guys level up, pay for a six-week coaching cohort, dedicate time, and lock it into their calendar, transformation happens. Dadawesome.org/coaching for our next Accelerator cohort. That's it for today. Love you guys. Praying for you. Have a great week.
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"I think that Jesus elevated a theology of friendship that we overlook."
"In order for people to become vulnerable, it's not like I can just tell you something — I actually need to be asked. Question asking is an art."
"Your calendar is the best preacher of your life."
"You can't have the best of God without having the best and the worst of each other."
"For men, you should have a six-pack — six vital friends that you would drop everything for."
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